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Where There’s Smoke is a weekly podcast that explores self-development through the filter of current events, pop culture, and experience. We surf the zeitgeist through an array of audio clips, quotes, concepts, and conversations.

In the spirit of The Daily Show and This American Life, we throw everything into an audio centrifuge that separates “what” from “why”. You walk away with insights and actionable solutions to improve your business, relationships, and almost any area of your life.

Jun 16, 2020

This week, as the world continues to reckon with race and equality after the murder of George Floyd, we try to understand what an ally IS... and what it isn't.Brett and Nick both hold up a mirror to look at their own actions (or lack of them). And Nick has a conversation with Holliday Philips, who recently published the article ‘Performative Allyship Is Deadly (Here’s What to Do Instead)’.

ARTICLE: Performative Allyship Is Deadly (Here’s What to Do Instead)

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REMINDER that our FUNDRAISER FOR JUSTICE is still happening
This is a way that you can be an ally with your wallet, AND get a pencil care package from Nick to support your own mindlessness, intentionality, and exploration. Go to and click on the 76: Pencil Something In episode to see ALL the details in the show notes..

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