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Where There’s Smoke is a weekly podcast that explores self-development through the filter of current events, pop culture, and experience. We surf the zeitgeist through an array of audio clips, quotes, concepts, and conversations.

In the spirit of The Daily Show and This American Life, we throw everything into an audio centrifuge that separates “what” from “why”. You walk away with insights and actionable solutions to improve your business, relationships, and almost any area of your life.

Jun 7, 2016

Lulu Miller helps us introduce this week's replay of Where There's Smoke because her podcast, Invisibilia, comes back on June 17 and she's looking for that all-important "Where There's Smoke Bump"! Thanks to her for recording the intro and, if you're a fan of WTS, you're probably going to love Invisibilia. 

We've got something fun and different planned for a couple of Tuesdays from now, so make sure to keep checking back all summer!

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(Original show notes)

Lulu Miller of NPR’s Invisibilia joins us this week to talk about curiosity. Well, she really wanted to talk about adventure, exploration, and discovery; but for reasons we discuss in the show, Brett just couldn’t let curiosity go.

Simply by asking, “What is curiosity?”, we find ourselves confronted with another whole set of questions: How curious are you? How do you measure it? Could one believe they are curious, and then discover they’re not? Could curiosity be something different than you think?

Plus, we tip our hat to the great comic strip Calvin & Hobbes, which debuted 30 years ago this November and rode off on a toboggan 20 years ago this December.

Well, if we want to get any answers to these questions, there’s only one thing left to do: Let’s go exploring!


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Guest: Lulu Miller

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Twitter: @lmillernpr


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Links from our newest segment: WTS DIGS!

Brett recommends: Pocket

Nick recommends: Nathan For You


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three and a half years ago

Great episode!