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Where There’s Smoke is a weekly podcast that explores self-development through the filter of current events, pop culture, and experience. We surf the zeitgeist through an array of audio clips, quotes, concepts, and conversations.

In the spirit of The Daily Show and This American Life, we throw everything into an audio centrifuge that separates “what” from “why”. You walk away with insights and actionable solutions to improve your business, relationships, and almost any area of your life.

Oct 11, 2016

It’s the Season 3 premiere and Brett and Nick are asking: “Is stress really THAT bad?”

To help them unpack this question they are joined by health psychologist and lecturer at Stanford University, Kelly McGonigal. Kelly’s most recent book is The Upside of Stress: Why Stress Is Good for You, and How to Get Good At It.


Brett and Nick ask:

What if everything you know about stress is but a fraction of the story?

What if the science you know about stress is just a story?

And what does any of this have to do with rodents and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Find out in this episode.

Plus, Nick & Brett are back with a fully cooked segment of WTSdigs!

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Kelly McGonigal

Twitter: @KellyMcGonigal

Check out Kelly’s latest book, The Upside of Stress, and her TEDtalk, How to make stress your friend:

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WTS Digs!

Brett: Justin Johnson
Nick: You Suck at Cooking Web Series. (Transcendental Granola)

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